A timeless conversation about meaning, growth, suffering, psychedelics, and the betterment of self and society. Two-way wisdom between mentor and apprentice, Rick Doblin and Melissa Warner.
Conversation waypoints, along with more about Rick and Melissa, can be found below.
Rick’s fear as a motivation. ‘The fear of insanity resulting in mass murder, nuclear annihilation, and environmental destruction.’
Dropping out of college at 18 after doing lots of LSD.
What led Rick to the belief that psychedelics could be a tool to create a more positive future?
Why does the psychedelic experience connect people to a sense of meaning?
The mystical experience
Encountering the inner critic with ibogaine and LSD: ‘Crucified on the cross of self-perfectionism.’
Turning the self-critic into an inner healer
The key ingredients for a supportive setting
The betterment of well people
Forgiveness and MDMA assisted psychotherapy
War and MDMA
Would you provide MDMA therapy to a Nazi concentration camp guard?
Trauma, entrapment, and MDMA
Sexual trauma, MDMA, and freedom
How does MDMA process and resolve trauma?
Healing and the peak experience
Abraham Maslow and Stan Grof
Self transcendence and the transpersonal
Sam Harris’ most mystical experience
Taking MDMA with a Roman Catholic Mystic in a monastery
Rick’s power spot at Esalen
Feeling the universe as your front yard and union with nature
To learn how to trip, and to learn how to make love
Raising a wolf and the lesson of obstacles
How Rick’s wolf helped recover some LSD
The wisdom of the wolf
Parents and psychedelics
Becoming transparent to the transcendent
About The Guests
Rick Doblin, Ph.D., is the founder and executive director of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS). He received his doctorate in Public Policy from Harvard’s Kennedy School of Government, where he wrote his dissertation on the regulation of the medical uses of psychedelics and marijuana. Rick studied with Dr. Stanislav Grof and was among the first to be certified as a Holotropic Breathwork practitioner. His professional goal is to help develop legal contexts for the beneficial uses of psychedelics and marijuana, primarily as prescription medicines but also for personal growth for otherwise healthy people, and eventually to become a legally licensed psychedelic therapist.
Melissa is a co-founder of The Australian Psychedelic Society and board member of PRISM (Psychedelic Research in Science and Medicine). She is a commentator on the science and philosophy of psychedelic substances on radio, print and online. Melissa holds a BSc in Neuroscience with a minor in computer programming. She is an avid meditator, yogi, performance artist, bio-hacker, and futurist. Her intellectual focus is currently the development of tools and frameworks to facilitate creative output, personal healing, and self-actualization. A survivor of complex PTSD, she lives as a case study for the efficacy of psychedelics as therapeutic tools.